at tabor lutheran church. we're here with rev. lowe at the tabor lutheran church, with a lot of good friends here, also. let me ask rev. lowe, this is a lutheran church and you think about lutheranism and you think back to europe and you think about welsh, swedish, german congregations, but this is a dynamite black church how - tell me a little bit about that. >> well it's only dynamite because we understand first who we are. we are black first, we are christians second and we happen to have chosen lutheran as our denomination. and we don't get that mixed up, that's always in place. so, with that in place we can have a black church and still be lutheran too and still reach out to the community. >> tell us a little bit about how you affect the community. i mean there is stuff going on all around here i can tell. >> well it started 16 years ago when i first came. in this same room i had a meeting with the counsel about 15 whites, average age, of about 70.